Posts by defender of truth

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

"God does care about animals."

Could he not have wiped out wicked mankind by sending angels or struck the people dead instantly, instead of drowning countless animals? If so, and if he does care for animals, why so many needless deaths by his hand?

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

"Just wanted to let the JW's know that there is a one True God and His name is Jehovah"
.. Have you gained this knowledge from the Bible? Do you think that every part of it is inspired?
Also, why did Jehovah let his name be edited out of the Bible?
Answering all three would be nice, but I'd like to hear what you feel about any of them. Thanks.

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

Sorry if the above post made little or no sense, I won't ramble again..
@Booker-t, have you had chance toread any of this thread at all?
Don't worry, take your time, I'm just concerned something has scared you off.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

defender of truth

Thanks for that Phizzy.
It just begs the question, how someone can believe in a God that cares and yet leaves his creatures in such a cold and pitiless universe, with no evidence of 'you are worth more than many sparrows'. In fact, as your quote highlights, there are probably sparrows getting their guts ripped out by a hawk somewhere, just while I type this post! And who 'designed' the hawk??

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

"I am happy, unless something really tragic happens in my immediate world...I mean We live in a world but do we really care about those living and suffering today?"

Thanks for being open and honest about how you feel.
I wonder if it is this lack of sensitivity , or shutting ourselves off to the pain that others go through, that is a key factor for many in maintaining the belief in a Biblical God that also must, logically, not be strongly moved by the pain and death that he sees. Or else he would have to act, as nobody would stop him, he is not bound by any constraints.

Yet many others are torn apart inside when they see people on the news that have lost their homes or children in a disaster that a God could have prevented. Or they are moved to act when they hear reports of animal abuses.
The God of the Bible does not put the health and happiness of all living beings above anything else, that much is for certain. So believers in that God have to categorise at least some of the suffering they see as unimportant, or of less importance than God's will.
Belief in the Bible's stories as literal is insidiously desensitizing, in my view.

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I am Back on JWN and out of hospital

by KateWild in

jw
friends

hey everyone,.

thanks qcf and nugget for starting threads.

thanks cofty for wondering where i was.

defender of truth

I'm glad to hear that you are okay Sam (are you allright with strangers calling you that, by the way?). Although I don't know you, anyone who can cope with the immense effort required to get through a meeting without running out, for the sake of family, is an inspiration and a hero to me.
I hope for your sake that the meetings do not contain any material/answers directed at you, although my experience of miserable interfering gossipers indicates they may do..
I can only think of two things to give you to try and help you.

1) When people make you angry and are judgemental and insensitive, try to remember:
Psalm 103:15-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
"15 As for man, his days are like grass;
he flourishes like a flower of the field;
16 for the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
and its place knows it no more."
I don't believe anymore, but I like that verse.
In other words, their judgements and their insensitive thoughts will one day be as nonexistent as them. And so will you, life is short.
Don't let the things that another blade of grass has to say ruin your day. Their views are not as important as they think.

2) If you get bored..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/210567/1/Jehovahs-witness-meetings-are-NOT-BORING#.U7F2C12t-o8

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

Booker-t: If you get chance to, and seeing as the Flood is a topic of interest to you, please feel free to have a look at this thread sometime..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222593/1/Did-the-Global-Flood-of-the-Bible-really-happen-Please-give-evidence#.U7Fz9F2t-o8

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

defender of truth

Bugbear said:
"How could god kill all humans in a flood except for 8 other people, when he/she was actually the father of them all?
"

Good point, and I hope that nobody forgets the countless animals that were needlessly murdered in the Flood.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/how-many-animals-has-god-killed.html

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

defender of truth

Here is the original question, which no theist has satisfactorily been able to answer yet:
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"Theists, why does God allow suffering..
..specifically, the suffering of animals. You can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to God etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. But how can you love a God that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with God, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways?"

754

Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

defender of truth

"try to stop hating, you are wasting your time with god u believe does not even exist."

I don't hate him. Neither do I hate Santa Claus. I am trying to help people who spend their lives worshipping this God to see who it is they worship, this is what freed me mentally from being a JW.